Ni and Se Working Together
Despite its magical appearance, Ni can be understood on a rational basis. What seems to be occurring is that INTJs have a highly sensitive inferior function, Extraverted Sensation (Se), which gathers copious amounts of sensory information from the outside world, including subtleties that other personality types tend to miss. Their Ni then subconsciously processes this data in order to make sense of it, like assembling pieces of a puzzle. Once finished, Ni generates an impression that seems to come “out of nowhere.” But the fact is that the intuition did not come from nowhere, but from a synthesis of sensory data gathered from the immediate environment combined with information from the INTJ’s own psyche. (x)
INTJs “Sleeping On it”
Since Ni is a perceiving function, INTJs often report that its workings often feel effortless. When INTJs express the need to “think about” something, this means something very different from what it might for other types. Namely, the lion’s share of INTJs’ “thinking” or processing occurs outside of their conscious awareness. In other words, their best thinking is typically done without thinking, at least not consciously. For INTJs and INFJs alike, ”sleeping on” a problem is as sure a route to a solution as any. (x)
Wit and the Ni Function
Some INTJs can also quite talkative and witty. Drawing on their memory for details and strong oratory skills, INTJs can make for good storytellers. Like INFJs, they enjoy employing stories, metaphors, and examples from popular culture (Se) to help illustrate abstract concepts or ideas. This represents a point of difference from their INTP counterparts, who, while witty, are generally poor at delivering stories or jokes. INTJs who allow the inner playfulness of their Ni to shine through will enjoy better success with people, taking the edge off what can be perceived as their sometimes harsh or insensitive Te. (x)
INTJs and the fear of teeth?
Okay, so that’s not exactly what I mean, but it makes a snappy title. I was doing so reading over at this blog, and I found out that INTJs often feel disassociated from their own bodies. Now, I sort of knew this, but I hadn’t pieced everything together. Apparently, because “Si,” or introverted sensing, is at the absolute bottom of our list of functions, we don’t have an “internal sense of our own bodies.”
And one INTJ repoted, “Because of their detachment from their physicality, INTJs may have nightmares about unexpected declines in their health. One INTJ, for instance, recounted to me his recurrent dreams of his teeth falling out.”
I have this dream all the time. It’s one of my worst reoccurring nightmares. I thought it was just a weird quirk I have, but apparently it’s tied up in my personality type.
This is kind of mind blowing. I wonder what else about me can be traced back to the way I process information.
Pottermore Sorting and MBTI
I know there’s an attempt going on to see if Pottermore’s house sorting coincides in anyway with MBTI theory. I admire the attempt, but personally I don’t think there will be any correlation. To begin with, I think they are assessing different aspects of the human psyche. MBTI measures your cognitive functions, or way of thinking. On the other hand, the house-sorting assesses a person’s life choices. There is something inherently moralistic about the house-sorting of the Harry Potter Universe, whereas MBTI is outside the realm of value judgements.
That’s my assessment, at any rate. I’m interested to see what you all think. Are there any grounds for comparison between MBTI and Pottermore Sorting?
My apologies if you have no interest in Harry Potter~
Thank you lilykit627 for pointing about my mistake. MBTI is for cognitive functions, not predisposition.
Socionics: Robespierres Part 2
Before starting a search of solution, Robespierres develop a detailed plan and using their deep theoretical knowledge try to collect as much objective information as possible.
First they logically test the idea, and then work over it offering hypotheses based on already created structure. Logical immaculacy of the conclusion and correspondence of reality to this very conclusion are taken as a fidelity criterion. They need facts to prove their hypotheses.
Robespierre’s cognition process is oriented on production of new knowledge based on mediate reflection of reality and its transformation by means of mind operations. Their thinking has brightly expressed theoretical character.
Socionics: Robespierre Logical-Intuitive Introvert
Robespierre (LII, Logical-intuitive introvert)
Robespierres differ from others with their inborn ability to abstract thinking and tendency to constant extension and improvement of old and development of new structures.
Perceiving the world as logical, predictable, rational and ordered, they feel need to find a formula, a method or a system able to give a clue to one or another problem; their mind is looking for rational reasoning of a certain problem. They think in abstract terms and detached concepts, analyzing complex phenomenon and objects.
Robespierre’s analytical style of thinking is targeted at systemic, full-fledged study of a problem in the aspects defined by objective parameters. Their manner to solve problems consists in logical, methodical and careful (with accent on details) process of investigation.
To MBTI fans, a look at Socionics
Socionics is a similar school of personality theory that claims to be the next step past Carl Jung and MBTI. I’ll leave it to you all to research the differences between them, since we all know that the reason we’re really here it so hear more about ourselves. So, I’m going to skip over the formalities and jump straight to the fun part; how the “INTJ” translates to Socionics.
First of all, we’re not called INTJs. We’re called LII’s, which stands for Logical-Intuitive Introvert. The type is denoted with this symbol:
for reasons I haven’t yet deduced.
Just as MBTI specialists sometimes calls INTJs by the name “Scientist” or “Mastermind,” Socionics has special names for the types too, only they are based on famous people in history. The LIIs are referred to as “Robespierres” after Maximilien Robespierre, an influential figure in the French Revolution, who was supposedly an LII himself. (Note: obviously Socionics was created long after the French Revolution, so he would not have called himself one.)
With that little bit of background, I encourage you all to read THIS webpage, which denotes the traits and characteristics of the LII. I believe you will find it very similar to MBTI’s description of the INTJ. As I understand it, the types are defined pretty much the same in Socionics, but the emphases in Socionics is how the types interact. I could be wrong though, as I haven’t thoroughly researched it yet.
For those of you too lazy to read the entire article all at once, I’m going to post pieces of it a paragraph at a time to give you all the opportunity to respond to it. I hope you all find it as interesting as I do.
The Extroverted T
All of us INTJs have it. We’re born with it.
Here it’s defined as the “structuring [of] one’s interactions with the external world in a systematic fashion, based on logical and impersonal hierarchies and categories.”
Logical and impersonal. Towards incoming information, anyway. Let me describe to you my interaction with the Extroverted Thinking function throughout my life.
When I was in first grade we had a student counselor come to our class and give us a speech about anti-bullying or something, and in my head I was making all kinds of sarcastic remarks and thinking things like “that’s not how people actually are” or “that’s not how it works in the real world.” I noticed that the things I were thinking were kind of mean and cynical (though I don’t think I knew the word cynical at the time) and I thought, am I a mean person? Am I heartless? The things he is saying are good things, but I always have to have a snarky reply in my head. Why am I like this?
I observed this tendency in myself for a long time. In my head I would tear apart people’s arguments with cold logic and sarcasm, even if I thought they were arguing for a good cause.
Now that I understand Myers-Briggs I think I understand why. INTJs can’t stand inadequacy or incompetency. The ability to sniff that out has to do with our Te function, our extraverted thinking. When we take in new information we feel it out for flaws, and if we find any, we throw it out as useless information. Our intense scrutiny of incoming information is also driven by our need to protect our “sacred inner world,” as it’s called. We “system build” our whole lives through, piecing external information into an internal construct, from whence our unique insights are derived. Thus we have to be very picky about what information is allowed in.
For so many years I thought I must just be an unfeeling, heartless creature who wasn’t affected by emotional appeals they way a person is supposed to be. Now I realize that this is what I’m supposed be, how I’m programed to be, and it’s not heartless or cruel, it’s “logical and impersonal.” That said, having the Te function is not a license to be an ass to other people. Now that I know why I am the way I am, I have no excuse for causing offense to others with cynicism or sarcasm. Yes, they come with the package. But, they are for my use, not for berating others. And now that you all have read this, you no longer have an excuse either. Be aware of your Te and allow it to work for you, without hurting other people.
A Te without a leash is a menace. This has been a public service announcement.